{"id":30860,"date":"2025-08-06T00:01:07","date_gmt":"2025-08-05T21:01:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/?p=30860"},"modified":"2025-08-09T07:55:29","modified_gmt":"2025-08-09T04:55:29","slug":"rosiya-yaku-mi-xotili-b-bachiti-ce-deimperializovana-deputinizovana-deradyanizovana-navit-destalinizovana-rosiya-yakoyu-vona-nikoli-ne-bula","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/fr\/publikacii\/rosiya-yaku-mi-xotili-b-bachiti-ce-deimperializovana-deputinizovana-deradyanizovana-navit-destalinizovana-rosiya-yakoyu-vona-nikoli-ne-bula\/","title":{"rendered":"la Russie que nous souhaitons voir est une Russie d\u00e9simp\u00e9rialis\u00e9e, d\u00e9poutinis\u00e9e, d\u00e9sovi\u00e9tis\u00e9e, voire d\u00e9stalinis\u00e9e, ce qu&#8217;elle n&#8217;a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>D&#8217;apr\u00e8s un discours prononc\u00e9 lors de la table ronde de l&#8217;Institut de politique mondiale sur \u00ab L&#8217;autoritarisme russe, menace pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 mondiale \u00bb.<\/em><\/p>\n<h1 class=\"tm5 tm6\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm7\">\u00ab \u00c0 mon avis, la Russie que nous souhaitons voir est une Russie d\u00e9simp\u00e9rialis\u00e9e, d\u00e9poutinis\u00e9e, d\u00e9sovi\u00e9tis\u00e9e, voire d\u00e9stalinis\u00e9e, ce qu&#8217;elle n&#8217;a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9. \u00bb<\/span><\/h1>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Je suis connu comme un faucon anti-russe. Je n&#8217;aime pas vraiment ce terme, mais je le trouve pertinent. Apr\u00e8s tout, l&#8217;alternative \u00e0 \u00eatre un \u00ab faucon anti-russe \u00bb aujourd&#8217;hui, c&#8217;est, vous savez, de ne pas critiquer la d\u00e9termination g\u00e9nocidaire de la Russie \u00e0 s&#8217;attaquer aux causes profondes du probl\u00e8me, ni rien de ce genre. Je veux dire, chacun doit \u00eatre un faucon russe, ou un r\u00e9aliste russe, si vous voulez, et \u00eatre r\u00e9aliste quant \u00e0 la Russie, sa nature, ses intentions, ses ambitions, ses app\u00e9tits.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Et je dois dire que je n&#8217;ai pas beaucoup confiance, d&#8217;apr\u00e8s mon exp\u00e9rience, dans les initiatives diplomatiques, celles que l&#8217;on voit dans la presse et en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Le Kremlin a clairement indiqu\u00e9 qu&#8217;il n&#8217;\u00e9tait pas int\u00e9ress\u00e9 par les initiatives diplomatiques, et c&#8217;est donc ce qui devrait constituer notre \u00e9valuation collective des intentions de la Russie. Je suis s\u00fbr que cela s&#8217;applique \u00e0 tout le monde dans cette salle. Mais bien s\u00fbr, cette analyse tend \u00e0 s&#8217;estomper \u00e0 mesure qu&#8217;on s&#8217;\u00e9loigne de l&#8217;Occident. Et franchement, je ne veux pas excuser le peuple russe.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Cette guerre n&#8217;est peut-\u00eatre pas populaire. Les gens souhaitent peut-\u00eatre toujours le d\u00e9part de Vladimir Poutine, son d\u00e9part de son poste. Mais les sondages en Russie montrent aussi tr\u00e8s clairement que, maintenant qu&#8217;ils sont engag\u00e9s dans cette guerre, ils peuvent la gagner. La majorit\u00e9 des Russes veulent toujours gagner la guerre, s&#8217;emparer de l&#8217;Ukraine.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\"><a href=\"https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382.jpg\" data-rel=\"lightbox-gallery-mG5BmEUm\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-30908\" src=\"https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"500\" height=\"351\" srcset=\"https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382.jpg 1063w, https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382-519x365.jpg 519w, https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382-840x590.jpg 840w, https:\/\/igp.org.ua\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/\u041d\u0438\u043a\u0441\u04382-768x540.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 500px) 100vw, 500px\" \/><\/a>Autrement dit, en 2025, la majorit\u00e9 de la population russe estime que la Russie devrait \u00eatre un empire, et que l&#8217;Ukraine \u2013 entre autres, mais pas seulement \u2013 est plus petite et m\u00e9rite une certaine forme de subordination. Et franchement, je connais personnellement de nombreux analystes russes qui souhaitent le d\u00e9part de Poutine. Ils veulent la d\u00e9mocratie en Russie. Mais ils souhaitent toujours un compromis, une division de l&#8217;Ukraine. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Ils veulent toujours, au minimum, la Crim\u00e9e. Ils croient toujours que l&#8217;OTAN s&#8217;\u00e9tend agressivement et est la cause, voire la cause profonde de tout cela. Alors, franchement, sachant tout cela et fort de mon exp\u00e9rience personnelle avec la Russie depuis plus de 30 ans, je vais \u00eatre honn\u00eate avec vous&nbsp;: j&#8217;ai du mal \u00e0 faire confiance aux Russes. Vous savez&nbsp;? Je ne le fais tout simplement pas. J&#8217;ai du mal \u00e0 faire confiance aux Russes. Et je ne suis m\u00eame pas Ukrainien. Je n&#8217;ai m\u00eame pas de liens familiaux avec l&#8217;Ukraine. Je n&#8217;ai pas, comme on dit, d&#8217;int\u00e9r\u00eat personnel.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Alors pourquoi suis-je ici&nbsp;? <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Eh bien, si je pensais que ces Russes croyaient \u00e0 de telles choses, je ne serais certainement pas ici. Si je pensais qu&#8217;ils croyaient que la Russie devait avoir des colonies, que les Ukrainiens devaient \u00eatre plus petits, qu&#8217;il fallait une solution de compromis et que la Russie ne devait pas perdre la guerre, si je pensais qu&#8217;ils croyaient cela, je ne serais pas ici. Mais je ne pense pas que ce soit le cas des Russes ici aujourd&#8217;hui et \u00e0 l&#8217;\u00e9cran. Et si vous consid\u00e9rez cela comme vrai et que vous y r\u00e9fl\u00e9chissez, ils sont comme vous et moi, que nous soyons britanniques, ukrainiens ou qui que ce soit.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Je pense donc que les Russes pr\u00e9sents dans cette salle sont les meilleurs repr\u00e9sentants de la Russie. Bien s\u00fbr, ils sont minoritaires et n&#8217;ont absolument aucun droit. Mais au moins, ils ont les qualit\u00e9s que vous, Ukrainiens, poss\u00e9dez&nbsp;: le courage, l&#8217;intuition, l&#8217;honn\u00eatet\u00e9. Et une derni\u00e8re chose, que vous n&#8217;avez peut-\u00eatre pas, mais que les Russes ont, et je ne devrais probablement pas parler en leur nom, mais je dirais&nbsp;: ils ont aussi honte. Honte \u00e0 ce que leur pays a d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait et continue de faire. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Ainsi, lorsque les choses changeront en Russie \u2013 et je ne veux pas fixer de date limite, mais je suis convaincu que cela arrivera&nbsp;: ce sont ces Russes avec qui il est pr\u00e9f\u00e9rable de travailler. Je tiens donc \u00e0 souligner que les Russes sont une pi\u00e8ce ma\u00eetresse de l&#8217;analyse de la Russie. Et je pense que nous devons analyser la Russie \u00e0 l&#8217;infini. Tout comme nous parlons de la reconstruction de l&#8217;Ukraine et du renforcement de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 ukrainienne avant la fin de la guerre. Comme vous l&#8217;avez vu, par exemple, \u00e0 Rome ces derni\u00e8res semaines, nous pouvons, ou du moins devrions, discuter du type de Russie que nous souhaitons voir une fois l&#8217;Ukraine \u00e0 nouveau en s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et territorialement int\u00e9gr\u00e9e, comme elle devrait l&#8217;\u00eatre. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">\u00c0 mon avis, ce devrait \u00eatre une Russie d\u00e9-imp\u00e9rialis\u00e9e, d\u00e9-poutinis\u00e9e, d\u00e9-sovi\u00e9tis\u00e9e, voire d\u00e9stalinis\u00e9e, ce qu&#8217;elle n&#8217;a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9. Et encore une fois, j&#8217;esp\u00e8re que les points de vue sur cette question, dans cette salle comme \u00e0 l&#8217;\u00e9cran, ne divergeront pas trop. Certes, nous pouvons \u00eatre en d\u00e9saccord sur la taille et la forme de la nouvelle Russie. Je suis moi-m\u00eame philosophique quant \u00e0 savoir si la Russie d&#8217;apr\u00e8s-guerre doit conserver sa forme et sa taille actuelles, ainsi que son statut \u00e0 l&#8217;ONU\u2026 Probablement pas. Mais je ne pense pas que cela importe. Je pense que ce sont des sujets de discussion essentiels.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"tm10\">Et je pense que nous pouvons y parvenir. Comme je l&#8217;ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 dit, je tiens simplement \u00e0 dire que l&#8217;Ukraine est viol\u00e9e par la Russie. Et j&#8217;ai du mal \u00e0 imaginer ce que vivent les Ukrainiens. Je ne pense pas pouvoir l&#8217;imaginer, m\u00eame si j&#8217;ai beaucoup d&#8217;amis ukrainiens. Je comprends pourquoi les Ukrainiens ne font pas confiance aux Russes. Il faut donc aborder ces questions avec prudence, d\u00e9licatesse et patience. Et je pense que c&#8217;est l\u00e0 tout ce que je nourris actuellement.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"a______ tm8 tm9\" style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong><span class=\"tm11\">James NIXEY,<br \/>\n<\/span><\/strong><span class=\"tm10\">analyste, ancien directeur du programme <\/span><span class=\"tm10\">\u00ab<\/span><span class=\"tm10\">Russie et Eurasie<\/span><span class=\"tm10\">\u00bb<br \/>\n<\/span><span class=\"tm10\">Chatham House (Royaume-Uni)<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>James NIXEY<\/p>\n<p>D&#8217;apr\u00e8s les documents du discours prononc\u00e9 lors de la table ronde de l&#8217;Institute of Global Policy &#8220;Russian Authoritarianism as a Threat to Global 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